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Post by Paul D on Feb 22, 2015 12:33:11 GMT
IMO the DP is a little too fast for the Mustang. We could probably pull it off here but I raced the Mustang back in iRacing Grand Am and DPs were the HPDs of today.
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Post by Eduardo Lorente on Feb 22, 2015 17:06:09 GMT
For reference, here are the world record laps for Mid Ohio as of 2014 S3 to the present (except the Cadillac which is 2014 S2). CAR | RACE LAP TIME
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| 1:12.395 | 92% | DP (Riley)
| 1:18.640 | 100% | Ruf Track (GT3)
| 1:20.422 | 102% | Cadillac CTS-V
| 1:20.970 | 103% | Ruf C-Spec (Cup)
| 1:24.436 | 107% | Mustang/Camaro Class B | 1:29.177 | 113% | Mustang FR500 | 1:33.488 | 119% |
I picked Mid Ohio as a typical example we might encounter: ~90 second lap time, with a few limited passing opportunities. Frankly, you'll want two classes that aren't close to each other so they don't interfere with each other too much.
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Post by Greg on Feb 22, 2015 17:44:43 GMT
I know I said I would love the DP + GT3 but man I have had a wanting bad to drive in a Nascar road series. Probably because they are pretty similar to the V8 supercar
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Post by Eduardo Lorente on Feb 22, 2015 18:19:18 GMT
So I bit the bullet and bought the B-Class Camaro to try it out. I hate to say it but I didn't find it an enjoyable experience. It feels like a tank, and not very sportscar-like. Plus there are a ton of setup options, and of course, very few road course setups available so I can already see it being a turn-off for many of our guys.
Yesterday, Duljon also suggested we might consider making one of the two classes a fixed setup as a possible way to attract drivers with little time to practice or work on setup.
Let me look at the remaining dates and map out some exhibition events - I'll post these later tonight when I get the standings updated.
@ Alfonso ... I don't want to forget your suggestion re: Star Mazda. I think we'd have to put that question to the group whether they would prefer the formula Mazda instead of the DW12 IndyCar. Let me just tackle one question at a time though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 23:14:10 GMT
Fixed set ups are'nt a good idea,lots of guys think that it evens the field, cause practice time,etc,etc,NOPE, it does'nt,some guys will be ok with it,but others wont, no one has the same driving style and equipement,and for that, need to tweak their cars,or at least, try, fixe set ups are more for oval, than road course, do you realy see fixe set up in real racing?? You can see that i'me realy against FIXE SET UPS, lolllll Cheers
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Post by Pete Hebron on Feb 22, 2015 23:30:48 GMT
Fixed set ups are'nt a good idea,lots of guys think that it evens the field, cause practice time,etc,etc,NOPE, it does'nt,some guys will be ok with it,but others wont, no one has the same driving style and equipement,and for that, need to tweak their cars,or at least, try, fixe set ups are more for oval, than road course, do you realy see fixe set up in real racing?? You can see that i'me realy against FIXE SET UPS, lolllll Cheers
Totally agree, even if it's just brake bias, everyone has a different driving preference. Driving the Daytona 24 we had to use the same set up but had the ability to change small things to suit our own driving style.
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Post by Glenn Sidman on Feb 22, 2015 23:52:56 GMT
One thing we know for sure is that everyone want's something different. This will be interesting and thank goodness we have Ed who is patient enough to deal with all of us I've only tried the old B-Class car at Road America and loved it, but I don't own either of the new cars. From what Ed described, it'd be difficult to fill this field so I'll save my money. Thanks for giving it a shot. BTW, I like fixed setups. The fixed setup "rookie friendly" V8 series is what brought me to Grasim. The problem I see with fixed is that someone has to create that setup or it has to be a car where iRacing has good fixed setups and I can't think of any for road right now. My last ramble, I remember the racing with the FR500 tended to be closer and more exciting. It was the Star Mazda of the tin tops.
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Post by F0NZ on Feb 23, 2015 1:52:26 GMT
I'm against fixed set-ups. Period.
But, if you are looking for a car that is beginner friendly, then the Jetta (fixed setup) may be the way to go. Or a car that doesn't have many adjustments, the Pontiac Solstice or Mazda Miata come to mind. I know they are slow, but my experience is that slower cars generate closer racing, more passing, are overall more fun, and more forgiving than cars that are ready to tear your arms off given a slight laps of attention.
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Post by mario on Feb 23, 2015 3:28:55 GMT
I'm against fixed set-ups. Period. But, if you are looking for a car that is beginner friendly, then the Jetta (fixed setup) may be the way to go. Or a car that doesn't have many adjustments, the Pontiac Solstice or Mazda Miata come to mind. I know they are slow, but my experience is that slower cars generate closer racing, more passing, are overall more fun, and more forgiving than cars that are ready to tear your arms off given a slight laps of attention. I also agree, fixed set-ups isn't the way to go in my opinion. I'm not sure why the HPD is bring back in the discussion when we realized there wasn't enough interest in the test races we did prior to this season. I started here at GRAsim when we were racing the jetta, that's brings back a lot of good memories of closed racing I agree that the solstice would be a better car in my opinion but will this fit in what we are trying to do ? Can we have enough drivers to join and fill the field in both classes to have decent numbers of drivers, or ... I would love to but can we achieve that. I certainly doesn't want to race with a field of 10 drivers per class.
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Post by Paul D on Feb 23, 2015 4:30:33 GMT
I'm against fixed set-ups. Period. But, if you are looking for a car that is beginner friendly, then the Jetta (fixed setup) may be the way to go. Or a car that doesn't have many adjustments, the Pontiac Solstice or Mazda Miata come to mind. I know they are slow, but my experience is that slower cars generate closer racing, more passing, are overall more fun, and more forgiving than cars that are ready to tear your arms off given a slight laps of attention. I also agree, fixed set-ups isn't the way to go in my opinion. I'm not sure why the HPD is bring back in the discussion when we realized there wasn't enough interest in the test races we did prior to this season. I started here at GRAsim when we were racing the jetta, that's brings back a lot of good memories of closed racing I agree that the solstice would be a better car in my opinion but will this fit in what we are trying to do ? Can we have enough drivers to join and fill the field in both classes to have decent numbers of drivers, or ... I would love to but can we achieve that. I certainly doesn't want to race with a field of 10 drivers per class. I agree on the no fixed setups. The multiclass thing is like what Ed said with the chicken and the egg. Which has to come first?
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Post by Eduardo Lorente on Feb 24, 2015 3:16:25 GMT
Thanks again for the feedback guys - any comment you leave (positive or negative) is helpful. I hear you all loud-and-clear, no fixed setups! So I've spent the last day looking at attendance statistics for the official races, and the current calendar for the cars we're considering. Seeing that there's not a lot of enthusiasm about the HPD at the moment, let's focus on the RuF Cup car: it's got great attendance numbers now, and it's the newest car among the group we're considering (so even if the DP is retired at the end of 2015, we can still pair the RuF with something else). So here's my revised calendar for the next six weeks: 2/28 - IndyCar fun-run (we're ready for a break, right?)3/07 - Season 1, Round #5 @ Road Atlanta 3/14 - DP + RuF @ Daytona (exhibition race) 3/21 - DP + RuF @ Watkins Glen (exhibition race) 3/28 - Break (Sebring 12 hour) 4/04 - Season 2, Round #1 We can always add another exhibition race on 3/28 if we think it will help. Any thoughts?
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Post by duckfoot on Feb 24, 2015 18:37:15 GMT
Can we make the RuF version be the Track car that we're going to run at Sebring?
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Post by Eduardo Lorente on Feb 24, 2015 22:33:01 GMT
I wish we could, but the Track version is a GT3 car - which is too quick for the Daytona Prototype. The only way we can keep make this all work is racing the GT Cup (GTC) version of the Ruf.
However ... as I eluded to in my last post ... The Daytona Prototype is among the oldest cars on the service. This year it was dropped from the special events calendar and it's attendance numbers are among the lowest on the official races (worldwide ~100 drivers per week). Personally, I think we will have to consider replacing it by the end of this year in our league too as we must be hitting a cap on the number of drivers we can recruit.
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Post by bill on Mar 1, 2015 16:40:17 GMT
i would be interested in this series however i dont have a dp and as in the above mentioned reasons i wont be getting one. i do like the multiclass format tho. cheers bill
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Post by Eduardo Lorente on Mar 2, 2015 4:00:05 GMT
Thanks Bill - your point is well taken.
I honestly think whether we like or not, we're going to have to change the primary car eventually if we want to keep growing the league.
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