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Post by tony kloosterman on Feb 27, 2015 23:15:29 GMT
The official iracing schedule, i believe our schedule will still be 1 hour with a mandatory 4 tire pit stop
an interesting variety of tracks
iRacing V8 Supercars Series - 2015 Season 2
Holden Commodore VF V8, Ford Falcon FG V8
Class D (4.0) --> Pro/WC (4.0)
Races every 2 hours at 15 past
Week 1 (2015-03-17) Canadian Tire Motorsports Park Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
38 laps
Week 2 (2015-03-24) Donington Park Racing Circuit - Grand Prix Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
24 laps
Week 3 (2015-03-31) Autodromo Nazionale Monza - Grand Prix Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
26 laps
Week 4 (2015-04-07) Road Atlanta - Full Course Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
22 laps
Week 5 (2015-04-14) Oran Park Raceway - Grand Prix Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
55 laps
Week 6 (2015-04-21) Circuit Gilles Villeneuve Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
30 laps
Week 7 (2015-04-28) Circuit Zolder - Alternate Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
29 laps
Week 8 (2015-05-05) Mount Panorama Circuit Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
34 laps
Week 9 (2015-05-12) Sebring International Raceway - International Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
26 laps
Week 10 (2015-05-19) Virginia International Raceway - Full Course Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
23 laps
Week 11 (2015-05-26) Sonoma Raceway - Cup Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
25 laps
Week 12 (2015-06-02) Phillip Island Circuit Local enforced cautions, Double file
restarts lapped on inside, Standing
start
27 lap
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Post by Glenn Sidman on Feb 28, 2015 5:09:40 GMT
I'm liking it!
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Post by Greg on Feb 28, 2015 13:14:30 GMT
no Watkins Glen.....again  |
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Post by tony kloosterman on Feb 28, 2015 15:07:48 GMT
I know how much you love Watkins but it was replaced with the track i love Mosport.
Monza GP is going to be a SOB having to do the first chichane, it is downright ugly
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Post by jpanknin on Feb 28, 2015 18:38:50 GMT
Is there any thought to having the GV8 season delayed one week to get the benefit of using the official practice sessions and set up development time?
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Post by Matt Gelder on Feb 28, 2015 19:18:48 GMT
Is there any thought to having the GV8 season delayed one week to get the benefit of using the official practice sessions and set up development time? that is a thought, anyone else have thoughts on this? |
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Post by Glenn Sidman on Feb 28, 2015 19:37:25 GMT
That's how GV8 originally ran, but I think we get higher participation now because some are using GV8 as practice for the official session. Could be wrong, but I think our participation might drop if we run after the official series as opposed to kicking off the official series.
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Post by Greg on Feb 28, 2015 19:46:55 GMT
I know how much you love Watkins but it was replaced with the track i love Mosport. I get that it always used to be on the schedule and people got burnt out on it, but this is a C class car and Watkins was a track that pretty much everyone owns. I didn't put in my vote so I don't have a leg to stand on but its disappointing. Guess I learned my lesson. Is there any thought to having the GV8 season delayed one week to get the benefit of using the official practice sessions and set up development time? Only concern I have is for the guys that use this as a practice race for the main V8 Americas race, which you will not be able to do if we move back a week. Personally I don't have a problem with it as I doubt I will be in the V8 Americas next season. |
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Post by tony kloosterman on Feb 28, 2015 20:07:04 GMT
i think we have such solid participation this year for this very reason, a lot of guys have joined just for this reason and personally i'd rather have 20 plus cars then 10
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Post by Tony Mino on Mar 2, 2015 21:44:40 GMT
So I have a couple of thoughts on this. First, like the majority of our fellow members I do like how we are using the GRAsim league race as practice for the official races. It keeps participation high from week to week and it's nice to see how you stack up against the Th/Fri Top Split drivers. However, at the same time the League can be slightly discouraging because it's dominated by highly experienced drivers for a league that purports to be a beginner V8SC league. Frankly, there aren't enough middle of the road drivers at the moment to keep things exciting week in and week out. Sure, there might be small personal battles throughout the season--such as the weeks were Jason and I have rather close races, which brewed a bit of 1 vs. 1 friendly competition--but beyond those instances, there's really nothing that for the majority of the members. The races eventually devolve into a what appears to be a long practice session with a little bit more adrenaline pumping after the top 5 take off since they are all a good 3+ seconds per lap faster than the rest of the pack.
Now I'm not advocating a fundamental restructuring of the league, but as I see it the reality is that there isn't much incentive to race each week beyond getting valuable practice time and race experience with clean and highly respectful drivers before the Americas Series on Th and Friday. Maybe that's enough for some people, but for me I know I want more. I want to feel competitive. I want to be competitive. I want to race with guys who are on my same level. I want to feel as if I have a stake in the league's standings. I don't want to be relegated to the back of the pack every week because of a highly stratified field. Maybe I'm the only one who feels the way, and if I am then feel free to ignore this message. Again, I'm saying this because this league has branded itself as a beginner V8SC league, yet it is dominated by the V8SC elites.
The only thing I have thought about that might spur continued excitement is a Pro/Am set up to replace the team standings and maybe even a separate class system. Like a Class A and Class B driver category with their own separate championship chases. Say at the end of S2 2015, the top 5 Class B drivers move up and the bottom 5 Class A drivers move down. Something fluid like that. These are just a few thoughts off the top of my head, but the idea I have had about driver inequality has been on my mind for several weeks now. It's even something I have been very aware of for the official series as well. I would be lying if I said I haven't thought about taking my iRating to avoid getting into the higher splits (if we get multiple splits) for Thursday and Friday nights. Even being in the 2nd split isn't giving me the same level of competition that I experienced last season.
As I said these are some musings and thoughts that have been bouncing around in my head and I felt this post might be the place to express those thoughts since the topic sort of has come up.
*THIS IS WHERE I HAD INTENDED TO PUST THIS POST IN THE FIRST PLACE. SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST.
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Post by bill on Mar 2, 2015 21:54:38 GMT
yes tony that is kind of where i was going in other post. there are 2 season 2 threads. cheers bill
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Post by Joe on Mar 3, 2015 11:37:54 GMT
What Tony talks about in his second paragraph is exactly what makes it so hard for any league to get over 20 drivers, no one wants to be in the also-rans. Not only is it a blow to the ego, it can be downright boring when most of your race is spent hot lapping.
The problem with trying to place a top end on the competition is where do you draw the line? Who is too fast? Even if that line can be found, how much joy can be derived knowing that a championship win was the result of disqualifying others? Is exclusion the best league building policy? The experience and speed of some of these guys should be a selling point for the league, not a deterrent.
The only thing I will say about ladder leagues, is that I tried to set up a basic one in our now defunct GT3 series, and it was not popular at all.
I have no doubt that broadcasts will bring in more drivers, but it will not bring in more league members.
It has been a little while, but I used to talk with other free league creators, and the 20-car plateau was a topic that came up frequently. I don't think I have ever seen a solution that was able to build and maintain a small league. Massive, 200+ member leagues, yes. Small ones, no. Pay leagues can even suffer from this. My theory is that people join several pay leagues, then concentrate on the one they could win, and ignore all the other leagues. Point is, the 20-car plateau seems to effect both free and pay leagues.
Having the GV8 out in front of the Americas has brought more new drivers to the league than anything else I can remember.
I don't know. Just some thoughts from a guy who can't sleep and is writing this in the middle of the night......
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Post by tony kloosterman on Mar 3, 2015 12:21:06 GMT
So here are my thoughts, i hope i don't offend anyone
why are we here?
to race with a bunch of decent guys without much ego in the way. ( for me i came because i wanted to learn about the V8 and not get runover in the offical races, and yes I was dreadfully slow)
who is welcome?
everyone
will there be winners and losers?
yes
Will the fast guys be fast and the intermediate guys not so fast?
yes
can intermediate drivers gravitate to being the fast drivers?
yes, if they apply themselves ( living proof you can go from being a slow guy to a reasonably quick guy, but not alien fast....yet)
is it about winning or providing a good platform for learning?
winning is fun, but doesn't pay any bills, its the fun factor for me and its learning to drive faster under pressure
My comments
A and B didn't work in GT3, its too hard to decide who is who and irating is never a good indicator
Tank your IR to race in a lower split? seriously??? thats like schumacher going to formula ford to get more wins. maybe find a series that has higher participation in your time slot (skip barber< mazda mx5) the massive number of splits there generally even out the playing field, however, IR is not a true indication of skill ( sorry Tony)
we have the event at the beginning of the week and it brought a lot of people to our events, i think this has been the most successful season yet.
The V8 is a difficult car and i am still learning it, in fact in the past 3 weeks i have figured out something i have been doing wrong and it has made an incremental improvement.
it is very difficult to be fast in this car but once you adjust your driving style to the car and not adjust the car to your driving style you will make gains
setups are not the solution (although they do help) practice is, lots and lots of practice and then some more
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Post by Troy Eddy, aka Jarhead on Mar 3, 2015 19:54:32 GMT
I would like to weigh in with my thoughts. I have been in a few different leagues, both successful and unsuccessful.
What I really like about this league is the professional on track conduct. I take pride in my low incident count, but it takes everyone's cooperation for me to keep it low. iRacing doesn't care who causes incidents, it will assign the points to both drivers no matter who is at fault. I have had some great close battles with many drivers and still managed to get through most of my races without any incidents. It is the other drivers keeping it clean which has allowed me to keep it clean.
I'm not in the alien drivers section and not sure I ever will be. I consider myself a solid mid-pack driver. I don't remember this being advertised as a beginners league. What I remember when I joined is that this is a beginner friendly league. There are no minimum license or iRating requirements to join. There are also no maximum iRating or license which would exclude membership. Everyone is welcome. I for one can definitely say I have improved since joining this league.
Another thing I really like about the V8 series is the willingness to help other drivers and share setups. I have no problem getting beat by a faster driver or even one who is more prepared because of practice. I really don't like getting beat by a setup. I believe it should be the fastest driver who wins, not the one who knows the most setup tricks. There are some good setups shared here and on the iRacing forums, so I never feel like I am at a disadvantage because of my car setup.
I will continue to race in this series. I doubt I will ever be a threat to the championship, but I will still have fun as long as the racing stays clean and competitive.
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