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Post by tony kloosterman on Feb 4, 2015 23:06:33 GMT
just thinking about Troys post on incidents and if should have a cap
it may help clean up the racing a bit if we are being careless.
I know myself I drive differently in our league then I do in the official races
if we were to make a change it would not be until the next season
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Post by Matt Gelder on Feb 4, 2015 23:15:35 GMT
we promote as a beginner friendly league so u we start putting a cap on the incidents, that would hurt us.
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Post by Joe on Feb 5, 2015 0:17:01 GMT
I haven't done any racing, so I won't vote, but I do agree with what Matt says.
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Post by Troy Eddy, aka Jarhead on Feb 5, 2015 12:15:19 GMT
Even though I try to be as incident free as possible, I don't believe there should be an incident cap for the reasons Matt mentioned.
However, I do think there should be an incentive to have as few incidents as possible. I have raced in other leagues where you get bonus points for zero incidents or below a set number. Example, xx bonus points for zero incidents, x bonus points for 2 or less incidents. There could also be a points penalty for excessive incidents. Pick a number and start deducting points. Example, x points lost for more than 15 incidents, xx points lost for more than 20 incidents.
Even though this is promoted as a beginner friendly league, I think it sends the wrong message if a race winner has 20 or more incidents because they cut the same corner every lap knowing there is no consequences for it.
This would give people a reason to drive clean without the worry of being kicked from the race if they are struggling.
If you decide to implement this, much discussion will be needed and possibly add it next season.
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Post by Pete Hebron on Feb 5, 2015 12:49:41 GMT
Even though I try to be as incident free as possible, I don't believe there should be an incident cap for the reasons Matt mentioned. However, I do think there should be an incentive to have as few incidents as possible. I have raced in other leagues where you get bonus points for zero incidents or below a set number. Example, xx bonus points for zero incidents, x bonus points for 2 or less incidents. There could also be a points penalty for excessive incidents. Pick a number and start deducting points. Example, x points lost for more than 15 incidents, xx points lost for more than 20 incidents. Even though this is promoted as a beginner friendly league, I think it sends the wrong message if a race winner has 20 or more incidents because they cut the same corner every lap knowing there is no consequences for it. This would give people a reason to drive clean without the worry of being kicked from the race if they are struggling. If you decide to implement this, much discussion will be needed and possibly add it next season. I totally agree with deducting points for over a set inc limit. As it already displays xx/17 inc, maybe 1 point deducted for every inc over this. I also like the extra points for clean driving otherwise there is no incentive for the clean drivers to stay clean. |
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Post by Joe on Feb 5, 2015 14:54:32 GMT
Can danlisa do that?
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Post by Matt Gelder on Feb 5, 2015 15:15:43 GMT
I believe danlisa can or can do it manually
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Post by Matt Gelder on Feb 5, 2015 16:52:44 GMT
will work out details before next season but i do like that idea
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Post by Tony Mino on Feb 6, 2015 4:50:10 GMT
Even though I try to be as incident free as possible, I don't believe there should be an incident cap for the reasons Matt mentioned. However, I do think there should be an incentive to have as few incidents as possible. I have raced in other leagues where you get bonus points for zero incidents or below a set number. Example, xx bonus points for zero incidents, x bonus points for 2 or less incidents. There could also be a points penalty for excessive incidents. Pick a number and start deducting points. Example, x points lost for more than 15 incidents, xx points lost for more than 20 incidents. Even though this is promoted as a beginner friendly league, I think it sends the wrong message if a race winner has 20 or more incidents because they cut the same corner every lap knowing there is no consequences for it. This would give people a reason to drive clean without the worry of being kicked from the race if they are struggling. If you decide to implement this, much discussion will be needed and possibly add it next season. I don't know why but I already thought this league was doing something similar to this. Looks like I'm clairvoyant after all. |
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Post by Pete Hebron on Feb 6, 2015 4:55:36 GMT
I remember watching your video from, I think it was Road America, where you were saying "do we have a incident cap"after you got over the limit, "no limit, lets go!"
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Post by Greg on Feb 6, 2015 12:58:52 GMT
I like Troy's idea for rewarding people that have a low incident count and taking points away from those that go over the limit.
I haven't look to see why people have a lot of incidents, not sure if they are off tracks (mostly likely), spins, or car contact. I know this is a rookie friendly league but there should be some consequence if you can't keep the car on the track. Now granted if you are going off track and you are spinning every other turn your actions will be result in a poor finish which may be penalty enough. I don't expect everyone to have a clean 0 incident point race but I think 17 is pretty generous for a 1 hour race. If someone is clearly cutting the same corner lap after lap then that person should be penalized more harshly then someone you just can't keep the car on the track.
I take the same mind set when I am in this league and when I am in an official series race even though we have different rules. I guess I have always been a relatively clean driver but even if the rules allow you to disregard the incidents you don't really gain anything from it. If you short cut the track iRacing will force you to slow down so you negate any advantage you might have gotten. The incident points system should tell you at then end of the race "look you have a ton of incident points, maybe you should change something" Then in the next race you keep the car on the track a little more, then you starting finding out you have more consistency, more speed, and you will have a better finish. Which in the end is what we are trying to promote.
I guess I would like a point bonus at the end of each race for the least amount of incidents. Then the driver or drivers over a set limit get points deductions for every point over. If a driver is caught taking advantage of the incident cap and cutting the same corner or corners then they should be disqualified from that race. I don't want to kick people out of the race once they hit the limit because I think the drivers that rack up that number of incident points needs all track time they can get so they will stop making the same mistake.
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Post by jasonb on Feb 6, 2015 21:40:49 GMT
This is a very good question, and I am quite happy with the responses as most follow my same thoughts. The fact that several members recognize those who do very few (or 0) inc per race is huge, and I agree that those drivers should be awarded.
On the other hand, while I do agree that high incidences should be penalized, I don't think it should be by much. IMO a high incident rate may indicate a driver could use some assistance as they "just can't get that series of corners" or something like that.
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Post by tony kloosterman on Feb 6, 2015 22:05:08 GMT
I originally posed the question to see what the feeling was in the league, I am happy to see that we don't want to limit the incidents because as many say this is a rookie friendly league.
on the other hand I do not like the idea of adding bonus points or taking them away.
as someone said if you have high incidents you are probably hurting yourself anyways, on the other hand the faster you go the more chance of having an off track and iracing already has slow down penalties in place
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Post by bill on Feb 7, 2015 0:18:19 GMT
i like the idea of pts for least incidents. that would help with course cutting. although i have my fair share of offs, most are just pulling over to let the fast guys by. if there was a cap i probably would be in the way even more lol. cheers bill
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Post by Greg on Feb 7, 2015 1:35:13 GMT
I hear ya Bill. I know that most of your off tracks are you just getting out of the way. Nothing wrong with getting way out way by going off track, but I don't mind if you just pulled off the racing line and slowed up a bit. As long as you are clear and consistent there should not be an issue with overtaking cars.
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